When the Facts Change

The cost of prison

University of Auckland professor Tracey McIntosh joins Bernard Hickey for a deep dive into the problems with and possible future of our prisons.

08 Nov 2024

When the Facts Change

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Our prisons are bursting at the seams. They cost at least $2 billion per year to run – and that’s before we consider the longer-term and wider-reaching costs to our health, education, housing, justice and welfare systems.

University of Auckland indigenous studies professor Tracey McIntosh joins Bernard to interrogate the reasons why we, as a society, persist with ever-larger and ever-more-damaging institutions that are failing to reduce crime rates or recidivism (and, in fact, may actually be increasing them).